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Yes, I totally agree the day before yesterday though. I did actually have flip up to 6 meters on 50 mags and that was open all around Europe there, so that was interesting and also there was a couple of East Coast US stations on as well and Then it went down top down to after eight on there and it was just four It was wall the wall it was like an fg 8 contest was on but there wasn't one back to you there We free X DB to w8 assets that out Oh very good Dave well, I had an old Camera I the first like real camera. I bought I think I purchased it in about 1979 maybe 78 it was a yeshika fx to SLR and I had You know I had tele converters and I had a zoom lenses