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and uh... different for landing up with whatever field they were at some commercial field and when he set it down he couldn't even feel the touch the runway so smooth whereas my brother all he did his first time down he dropped it on the runway, he dropped it so hard to knock all the oxygen masks out of the overhead well that's enough out of my flight stories and whatnot I'm gonna get dizzy here and get some things done so have a wonderful weekend and thanks a lot for doing that KG7WOI hey you know John sometime we'll have to not talk I'm not calling you out of